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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast my name is ryan

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the original overseer of the airwaves

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bringing you an epic episode tonight

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we are broadcasting from the base at la

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madre mountain just south of area 51 and

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i'll tell you i am going to have some

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fun with this one because this is a huge

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deal

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the guest is mark ollie

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and we're going to be talking about

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crystal skulls and human heads

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the mystical history of glass and the

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extinction of the world

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in a time when the world realized that

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it is not immortal this little book

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brings an entirely new view of what it

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means to be human

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what the planet really is

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how something as simple as a few grains

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of sand revolutionized civilization

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how extinction is simply a part of

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nature and how the whole of life

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we are so comfortably fit in may not be

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quite what it seems

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nature

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science and technology combine to show

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the past present and future like never

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before

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a life and death passage through realms

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largely unknown to us

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but not to those ancient giants of

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intelligence who came before us

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author mark ali seamlessly combines the

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disciplines of archaeology geology

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science and human studies to push the

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boundaries of human existence

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wider in both directions and increase

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our appreciation of just exactly what

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the human race could potentially be

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capable of achieving

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far from being an end in itself this

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book takes the reader on a magical

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mystery tour

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like no other

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it enlivens the mind

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it reaches some startling conclusions

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and may just change the way we see our

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future

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mark ali welcome to the hero paranormal

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podcast

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hi i'm glad to be here

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thanks for having me oh i'm so excited

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because this is something that is very

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important to me i think it's very

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mysterious it answers a lot of questions

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let's face it crystal skulls are

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becoming

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one of the hottest topics in the

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paranormal field

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how did you find yourself researching

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this and

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and getting into just exactly what it is

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you got into

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wow well obviously it begins when my

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archaeological career began uh which was

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my dad used to be a volunteer digger

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back in the 60s and 70s before

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archaeology became a

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set discipline which he effectively is

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now um and when i was eight years old he

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got me into digging in holes and pulling

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out roman stuff and all that sort of

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so it started very very early did a lot

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of voluntary work over here uh

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eventually i went to art college and

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then the museum in this town is directly

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opposite the art college so at the same

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time i was studying art for the two

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years i was there i was also studying

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archaeology as an extension studies

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thing to liverpool university so by this

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point late teens going into early 20s i

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spent a long time then as an

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also my mum and dad were collectors so

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they collected a huge number of bizarre

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objects and that's rubbed off on me as

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well um after a long career in the music

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business eventually i've retired and

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i've come back to doing writing

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television and various other bits and

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and then a friend of mine came to me

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this is the answer to your question

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really a friend of mine came to me and

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i've got this really really old

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friend

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who spent time in south america and when

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he was in south america it could even

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have been when he was a young lad

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between the walls or whatever uh he

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befriended people in a village there and

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was given an aztec crystal skull

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now this chap's getting too old to be

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the custodian of it so he then passed it

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on to the guy who i know who's uh quite

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high up in freemasonry but this guy is

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himself quite old

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so he came to me and he said well i

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think you should be the next custodian

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and i'm well what what made you you know

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make that decision he said well you're

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an archaeologist you're a historian and

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you appreciate the spiritual side of

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things you know the the bigger sort of

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um human existence if you like so i

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think you'd really appreciate this so i

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said oh okay all right then so anyway i

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ended up with this

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aztec school it's about five to eight

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hundred years old we think that's based

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on uh the way that it's made it's

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handmade and stylistically it's of that

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sort of just on the cusp of the um you

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know pre-columbian sort of cortez

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invasion period in the late 14th early

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1500s it kind of matches in with that so

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i ended up with this crystal skull

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um and that sort of inspired me to to

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try and find out more to do more

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research to look at

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to do with the crystal schools

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and also i mean human heads

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generally speaking

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appear in every single period of history

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because it's our history

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so that's a fantastic thread for a book

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you could say human head and you could

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go to any time period or any place that

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humans of any kind of lived anywhere on

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planet earth they've all got

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human heads and there's so much

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information we can get from them so i'm

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then left with the two things which

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essentially make the book which is the

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the human side of it human remains and

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then what we as human beings did with

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that as an image how we then went on to

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produce carvings and crystal skulls and

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the reasons behind that

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um there you go it was a long answer but

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we got there in the end

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that's so fascinating and i'm i'm amazed

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by your dis your disciplines not only in

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archaeology geology and science but

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human studies and you've kind of pushed

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the boundaries

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and um you

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have gone into advanced ministry as well

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which i believe yeah that that in the

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biblical studies this really this really

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stands out to me because you really have

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a grasp of like you said the big picture

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of where this fits into humanity

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so you got that

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i i always used to say with this book as

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i was writing it so it took about two

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years to put together i always used to

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say it's going to be a tiny book with an

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enormous story to tell so it's just kind

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of a zip line to it that isn't imprint

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that's it it's a tiny book with an

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enormous story to tell

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yeah it is it's amazing and um

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you know i also kind of have the hobby

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of collecting antiques and i'm

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very very interested in the freemasonry

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aspect of this too and that kind of ties

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in with spirituality

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well this friend of mine who is uh

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fairly high up in freemasonry he's

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worked his way through all the degrees

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um and to become a lodge master

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obviously then as a responsible person

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for that particular lodging district uh

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was then highly regarded by the chap who

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actually had this school who i believe

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was also in some way connected with

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freemasonry obviously freemasonry itself

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has changed

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over the years so let's hypothetically

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assume that the chap that originally got

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the school uh probably acquired it you

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know say the 1940s 1950s a lot of stuff

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found its way over here um during the

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war years and the post-war years

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uh he in turn has then passed it on to

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someone he respects but that that

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someone is as well quite old because you

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don't sort of progress in freemasonry at

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any particular great speed you know you

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first the second your third is probably

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three to four years after that it takes

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a long time to actually rise to any kind

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of level in freemasonry

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uh but the chapman who then ended up

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with the school so we're now only two

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steps away from the original owners in

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south america that chap again is now

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older than me i mean i'm heading towards

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my 60th at the end of this year so i'm

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no spring chicken

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as you say it's been it's been a long

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life with a lot of qualifications and a

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lot of experience and i've really you

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know uh how can i say tame the ball by

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the horns you know i've really

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gone at it because you know life is for

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living and i suppose that's that's

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reflected in my musical career as well

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because i still managed to hold that

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down and do everything else as well

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in that respect i suppose i'm in now in

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a position that those freemasons were

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when the school was passed on so i you

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know i've ended up with it now um

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there's a big exhibition coming up in um

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blackpool it's a conference called the

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awakening conference it's being done

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this summer i think it's in june it's in

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the 20 somethings of june uh eric von

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daniken's going to be there and a lot of

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other fairly well known folks and they

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want to put on an exhibition of

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antiquities there um so they've picked

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me to curate that and to to look after

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that which i think is amazing and it's

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little opportunities like that but get a

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chance for this school

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and a lot of other objects to be placed

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in front of the public the public can

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actually see these things because

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there's an awful lot of stuff in private

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collections and

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you know it'd be nice to see these

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things coming out and people to be able

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to see them

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that that really stood out to me that

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you are actually uh

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involved with these exhibitions

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and um when you do have these

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exhibitions mark

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are people you you often hear or at

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least i have often heard that when

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people become

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close in proximity to some of these

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items they have very real experiences

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i could think of all kinds of stories uh

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ancient objects have as it were imparted

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their information

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give you a couple of examples i actually

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own the oldest man-made object in where

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i live here in cheshire uh it's 480 000

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tool it's it's from the days of the

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woolly mammoths and you know post ice

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age and all that sort of thing

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and one lady came along and she picked

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this up because it's in a display it's

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only a stone so that she can't damage it

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she picked this thing up and just held

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it she went

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she said i can see this hunter outlined

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against a sheet of ice and he's got

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antlers on his head and he's he's some

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kind of ceremonial shaman and i can see

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him now this is just an ordinary lady

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who doesn't

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really know anything about archaeology

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or history what she didn't realize is

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the ice would have been here

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she described a scene that was possible

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at the site where that particular object

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was recovered and just down the road at

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starcar we've actually got anchored

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headpieces we've got these

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pieces that they used to wear with

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antlers on so every single piece of

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information she gave me

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was archaeologically historically and

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location based correct

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and all she did was pick the stone up

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um and then the same thing happened

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again i was uh we we were excavating a

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bronze age barrow over here and we ended

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up with a bucket with some um ash in it

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ash remains uh which later turned out to

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be a cremation burial so these are human

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remains

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and this lady was amazed by this she

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picked it up and she was saying oh i

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think it used to be a you know fella

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that was in here and what she didn't

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know is that actually the person that

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was cremated was most likely a warrior

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and probably was male because they came

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from the top of the burial mound but

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what was fantastic was she actually came

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from a place called newton willows and

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the excavation of the barrow took place

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in newton lee willows

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wow so

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and this was this was a an exhibition

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many many miles away this is in

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derbyshire in buxton where this this had

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turned up so the lady who lived in

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exactly the same physical location that

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this archaeological um these remains

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were recovered had connected with the

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remains

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but there's a difference there's a

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difference of about six and a half

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thousand years

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in the in the age so that was again it's

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one of these things and they just happen

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these things just seem to happen again

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and again and again and again uh people

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back to the crystal schools again people

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that have picked up this school um it's

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just slightly smaller than adult size

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and it doesn't look like anything when

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you when you approach it it just looks

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like you know a clear piece of plastic

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or whatever but as soon as you pick it

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up it weighs a ton it's really heavy but

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the weight to size ratio is is quite

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hefty

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and as you pick it up of course it's

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freezing cold because it's proper quartz

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it's the real

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uh mccoy it's the proper crystal

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and then straight away this thing sat

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there generating this enormous

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electrical field which is what quartz

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does and people do sort of get that oh

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you know they kind of go wow you know

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this is so powerful

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and it does it definitely connects with

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people and it does give them a bit of a

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blast so you've got the physical weight

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you've got the physical temperature and

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then you've got this huge electrical

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discharge that's coming off it um i

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tried to go i tried to go into this in

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the book because some people believe

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that these these schools have got things

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to impart that they're actually

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recorders um and that when i was writing

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the book of all this there can't

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possibly be a science uh scientific

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explanation for this there can't be any

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science behind it and then over here i

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think it was southampton university

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they've now started

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using lasers to write data into glass

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silicon disks

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which they can read back

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now all of a sudden you're thinking hang

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on a minute there's a school made of

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quartz silly because there's a disc made

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of quartz silica the only problem here

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is we just don't know how to read the

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crystals

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we we've developed a system now to read

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the disks but we can't read the crystals

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so there could just be more to it that

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could just be

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something in that legend that developed

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in the 1970s and 80s about these schools

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you know containing all kinds of ancient

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information maybe that is absolutely

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true but maybe it's also true of all the

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courts that's in the environment around

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us we we just can't read it yet

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does that kind of answer that question

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it does because

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this seems like a very genuinely it

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makes sense i mean we have courts we

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have mystical powers that have been felt

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by many people

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and

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some claims have been presented uh

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that there may even be healing qualities

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have you come across that at all

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i have um the closest i come to it in

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the book is i discuss the high content

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of the high content of quartz silica

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in the environment around us and then i

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discuss where that ends up

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in us

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and the interesting connection there

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it's a bit of a wow factor in the book

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is that the

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the lack of silicon in in human

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development actually affects the brain

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and the skull so if you're a baby and

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you're developing the womb you don't get

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enough silicon the deficiency affects

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the head i've got no idea how the guys

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that made the crystal schools knew that

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there was a connection but that is the

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connection

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there's also the idea that planet earth

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itself is a giant quartz crystal flying

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through the galaxy because the earth's

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core only functions if it's made from

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quartz silica so we're carbon life forms

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living in a silica world but at the end

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of the day it's the silica in us that

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seems to be relating to the environment

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around us so there has to be some form

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of communication there has to be some

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connection you've got this you know as

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above so below you know you've got this

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microcosm microcosm thing going on where

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we contain everything that we find in

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the planet around us

442
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which then contains everything that's in

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the universe around us so because we're

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so connected we're so absolutely linked

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to our environment there has to be an

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exchange of some kind

447
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going on between us

448
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and our environment and the crystals as

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you pointed out the chris people that

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believe in crystal healing and that is

451
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the different types of rocks

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and what they contain and their

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properties

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must scientifically must

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interact with us in some way because

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everything else does you know water

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affects us heat affects us you know

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sticking your fingers in a plug socket

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will affect you because that's

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electricity

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you know um

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you know we're affected by all those

463
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things so why would why wouldn't we be

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affected by the energy that's given off

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by parts of planet earth when we're so

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connected to it you know it to me just

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makes perfect sense

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it does sort of just make perfect sense

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and the symbolism also makes perfect

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sense uh the symbolic meaning of the

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human skull and how it's usually

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commonly symbolic symbolically used as

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representations of death mortality and

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the unachievable nature of immortality

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the um you know secret societies you

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people obviously often talk about the

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skull and bones society and other

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societies a lot of freemasonry uses the

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skull and bones in in various

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rituals

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and

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you know it has i i'm really glad that

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you're so knowledgeable of the spiritual

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aspects because as you said it's not

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just

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one culture

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this is widely known throughout the

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world it and it's amazing how

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all these cultures agree on the

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symbolism of the of the skull

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and the information that uh you have is

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is fascinating

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now i i

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saw i cannot remember the name of it i

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saw something on national geographic

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about crystal skulls

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and um how

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they may be a form of computer which

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sounds

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very similar to what you're saying about

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this uh quartz in the silica

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yeah

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well it was it was said in the 1970s

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there was this idea that maybe out there

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was some mystical number of schools made

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of crystal maybe 12 or 13 and that one

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day these skulls would be reunited and

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they would either you know light up or

509
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give out some information or

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you know herald the beginning of a

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spiritual transformation of some kind

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and and everybody in this the sort of

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ordinary scientific community just sort

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of went oh you know here we go again you

515
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know what it's going to be all about

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um but the more that we've looked at

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silicon i mean at the end of the day you

518
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know the wind the windows in our houses

519
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are made of silica you know we wear

520
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glasses made of silica we're talking to

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each other on computers and phones that

522
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contain silicon chips so that's silica

523
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computers function using silicon chips

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it's everywhere it's in building

525
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materials you know it's in bath sealant

526
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it's in concrete you know you name it

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it's absolutely everywhere it's one of

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the fundamental building blocks of

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science itself without silicon the the

530
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,640
world wouldn't exist it wouldn't

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function in the way that it does and i

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think i spent a whole um there's a whole

533
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chapter that explores that in the book

534
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that kind of goes into the what can you

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00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,600
do with it and it covers everything from

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00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:07,679
prehistoric flints you know which can

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00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,799
cut like knives at a molecular level uh

538
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,480
it goes all the way from that which is

539
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:14,480
quite primitive technology right the way

540
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,120
through to this idea that by making

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perfect court spheres and firing them

542
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out into space

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they could actually prove that there was

544
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gravitational drag around planet earth

545
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because of the way these balls function

546
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there's only three sets of perfect

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spheres ever been made and one of the

548
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sets is made

549
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from quartz silica so it's it's

550
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enormously advanced science at the same

551
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time as being incredibly primitive and

552
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as you said the skull and the

553
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representation of the school and then

554
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,000
the uses and the functions of silica

555
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,039
they're common pretty much to everybody

556
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everywhere all over planet earth and

557
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,840
you've got this idea that you know once

558
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upon a time known as a super race that

559
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,120
lived on planet earth and they left

560
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,360
behind you know traces and everybody

561
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,640
goes oh well you know it's going to be

562
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,400
the pyramids or you know it's got to be

563
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:02,080
geometry or you know we should be

564
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,200
looking for this out on the other end

565
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:05,039
well one of those things one of those

566
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:06,159
things that seems to have been left

567
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:07,280
behind

568
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,720
is the properties of quartz silica and

569
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,640
the way that the head is represented and

570
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:14,240
what it represents

571
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,320
um universally it seems to be as a skull

572
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,280
a representation of the exiting of life

573
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,520
you know um in the same way that birth

574
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:25,039
and the rest of it is represented as

575
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,159
arriving

576
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,440
and you've got sort of the goddess

577
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,520
culture and all that side of things if

578
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,080
you like the that's a rival well

579
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,799
departure is the school

580
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,640
but when you find it in a lot of the

581
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,159
occult societies and you find it in

582
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,799
freemasonry etc it sits there usually

583
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,760
sits there somewhere prominent to remind

584
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,159
everybody that everybody is mortal you

585
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,200
know nobody gets out of here alive

586
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,880
unless you happen to be resurrected or

587
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,320
translated you know

588
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,080
look you know there are exceptions to

589
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:56,000
the rule always but you know as a rule

590
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:57,200
none of us are going to get out of here

591
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,320
alive yeah we have a common bond when it

592
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,000
comes to that

593
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,240
and

594
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:07,200
something very interesting i find with

595
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,120
these crystal skulls is the belief that

596
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,720
some have and you

597
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,520
surely have probably come across this in

598
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,799
your travels

599
00:22:20,909 --> 00:22:18,799
the belief some have that maybe they

600
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,919
were not made by humans or that

601
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,200
extraterrestrials may be involved in the

602
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,159
production uh they don't have for

603
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,480
example um

604
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,640
the characteristical features of

605
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,320
mesoamerican

606
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,520
uh you know

607
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,080
wooden rods with stone very very very

608
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:39,039
distinctive marks and and

609
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,799
rudimentary tools

610
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,600
uh that that the aztecs the mayans etc

611
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:45,919
used to uh carve stone has the

612
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,400
extraterrestrial aspect come across your

613
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,720
radar at all

614
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,039
okay there's two parts for that um one

615
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,960
part of it is the manufacturer of the

616
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,520
schools which using modern day

617
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,520
technology we can actually establish

618
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,960
whether they are

619
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:02,400
in a sense

620
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:05,600
real genuinely old schools or modern day

621
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,400
you know

622
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,159
banged out a workshop in the thousands

623
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,320
yesterday kind of schools

624
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,080
by looking at the tool marks on the

625
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,840
schools

626
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,200
i think the one you're thinking of the

627
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,960
main one is the mitchell hedges school

628
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,000
which is

629
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,600
the one that anna mitchell hedges found

630
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,120
under an altar

631
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,240
on an excavation site uh in belize as it

632
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:25,919
was back then

633
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,520
that one has been uh very rigorously

634
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,600
examined from a microscopic point of

635
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,919
view and there's just no manufacturing

636
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,280
marks on it

637
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,080
so it's supernatural in that sense but

638
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,919
then it just depends how long people sat

639
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,840
there and actually polished it for it

640
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,000
kind of proves beyond all possible doubt

641
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,400
that it's it probably took 100 years to

642
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,440
smooth that down to the level it is now

643
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,279
whoever made it you know because your

644
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,120
court silica is quite difficult to work

645
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,520
with most of the other schools if not

646
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,279
all of the other schools

647
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,760
that appear to be handmade have some

648
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,000
kind of tool marks on them so that's the

649
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:03,840
really exceptional one

650
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:06,799
the aliens connection usually that

651
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,679
drifts in it floats in as part of the

652
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,840
idea that the guys that were in south

653
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,120
america

654
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:15,760
that had these enormous stretched skulls

655
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,120
they had these huge elongated skulls the

656
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,200
idea that because people thought they

657
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,720
were aliens

658
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,960
that maybe it was that particular race

659
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,559
that was producing the skulls that's

660
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,440
your alien connection um

661
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,279
not many people would imagine the grace

662
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,120
coming out of a huge silver disc

663
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,120
carrying you know at school that's

664
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,360
steven spielberg you know

665
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,360
was quite quite firmly in the kingdom of

666
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,520
the crystal skull there um but if

667
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,679
anybody wants to know the background to

668
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,360
that movie you know please buy the book

669
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,520
because the book will explain to you

670
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,200
where the scriptwriters and where

671
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,960
stephen got all his ideas for the movie

672
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:53,039
from but he's linked them all together

673
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,640
to come up with a scenario at the end

674
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,039
which is you know fully good hollywood

675
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,440
um but the guys with the long schools as

676
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,720
it turns out

677
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,080
south america

678
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,679
archaeologists and scientists are

679
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,679
starting to take them more seriously and

680
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,320
look at them it turns out their dna and

681
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,360
their physical skull structures are very

682
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,360
very different from ours

683
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,200
and it's really starting to look like

684
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,679
we've got another species of human there

685
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,799
that they are still us by definition of

686
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,520
dna but they're just not the same

687
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:26,000
formulas they're very different and i do

688
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,520
go inside in the earlier parts of the

689
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,440
book when i'm looking at you know a lot

690
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:30,880
of the fossil record and a lot of the

691
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,200
early remains of humans going back 30 40

692
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,919
000 bc are starting to give up evidence

693
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,240
that we were quite diverse

694
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,840
the same as all the other species on

695
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,840
planet earth you know you have a tiny

696
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,279
little cat in the jungle that will sit

697
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,880
in the palm of your hand or you can

698
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,720
cross a lion and a tiger and get a liger

699
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,200
that's the size of a horse but it looks

700
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,880
like human beings were very much like

701
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,039
that you would have tiny little homo

702
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,880
flurries which are these three three

703
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,440
foot six high guys living on islands out

704
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,360
in the pacific or you could go all the

705
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,400
way through to the biblical giants you

706
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,080
know these enormous

707
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,880
human beings uh robert wadlow who was a

708
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,360
giant over here lived to uh the height

709
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,919
of nine foot eleven he died in his late

710
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:14,080
twenties that's still pretty substantial

711
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,279
you're still looking at a human being

712
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,600
there that's ten foot massive hands

713
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,880
massive feet

714
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,960
and he's not unique in history so we

715
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,520
have records of people of that size but

716
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,159
the biblical giants you're looking at 20

717
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,000
34 plus

718
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,679
in terms of height

719
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,000
but if you are strictly speaking

720
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,440
sticking to dna and you're a scientist

721
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:38,159
and an environmentalist you have to

722
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,039
admit

723
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,240
that we as a species should be

724
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,120
as diverse as all the other species

725
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,080
because no species is exempt from that

726
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,480
you know the diversity is present in in

727
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,039
all of all of the different species and

728
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,880
that's proven again by the fossil record

729
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,200
so even extinct species have ended up

730
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,360
you know proving diverse and there are

731
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,760
offshoots and variations and varieties

732
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,240
of species so the same should be true of

733
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,279
us aside from just you know skin color

734
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,840
and minor physical attributes

735
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,159
um so again science is beginning to back

736
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,919
up mythology here you know we're back

737
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,840
into the realms of you know what might

738
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,919
have been nonsense 30 or 40 or 50 years

739
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,679
ago now it's kind of flipping the other

740
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,480
way

741
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,080
it's beginning to look like you know

742
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,679
it's not nonsense actually the the

743
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,600
ancients were absolutely right in a lot

744
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,120
of the legends and the things that they

745
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,279
wrote you know they were correcting what

746
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,720
they were saying that's how it's

747
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,799
beginning to look

748
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,679
yeah i'm so glad you went down this path

749
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,799
because

750
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:37,840
uh

751
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,399
though and mentioned belize because i

752
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,120
i'm i was originally born in costa rica

753
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,480
and uh there are some stone spheres in

754
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,880
costa rica that

755
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,799
although not related to the crystal

756
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,559
skulls they

757
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,880
provide sort of a more more

758
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:57,039
documentation that these oddities were

759
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,159
occurring

760
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,240
and these stone spheres are an

761
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:03,360
assortment of over 300 spheres

762
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:04,399
um

763
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,679
on this delta on uh isla del cano and

764
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,600
locally they are kind of known as the

765
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,279
they call them the bolas the piedra and

766
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,120
they're huge rocks

767
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,039
perfectly smooth

768
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,520
they can't figure out

769
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,520
in that time period

770
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,840
first of all how they were made it seems

771
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,919
absolutely absurd

772
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,480
that these spheres were made and to that

773
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,679
extent

774
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,120
and

775
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,960
you know it is

776
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,600
like you said that what was the purpose

777
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,000
what was the purpose and i also find it

778
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,919
very interesting that

779
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,360
there is

780
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,120
in a lot of cultures in central and

781
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:43,039
south america as you said

782
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,559
we have

783
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,279
the other very strange aspect which is

784
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,760
these pyramids which we also see in

785
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,520
egypt although they're step pyramids in

786
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,960
the americas

787
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,360
and it brings me back to a lot of the

788
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,279
work that many like brian forrester are

789
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,000
doing and these elongated skulls it all

790
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,960
seems to be connected doesn't it

791
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,880
i believe it is yes i actually do

792
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,960
believe it is connected um the costa

793
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,679
rica balls themselves just prove

794
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,240
that as far as messing about which stone

795
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:14,799
is concerned they were far better at it

796
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,399
in the past than we are now so finding

797
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,039
advanced forms of stonework especially

798
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,960
in south america's

799
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,720
shouldn't come as a surprise to people

800
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,720
you know the the face masks the

801
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,279
sculptures themselves the skulls the

802
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,399
balls the stonework um i've i've been

803
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,360
down to um uh you've championed insulin

804
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,520
myself and i've had a wander round and a

805
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,120
look at what's down there

806
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,720
and you know just because it's covered

807
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,480
in trees doesn't mean it's primitive you

808
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,399
know get rid of the jungle and there's a

809
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,480
breathtaking culture down there to match

810
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,240
anything you'll find anywhere in the

811
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,679
world you know it's in some ways it's

812
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:51,919
better than egypt you know it's it's

813
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,880
just breathtaking so the possibility

814
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,760
for

815
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:58,240
the advanced technology down there is is

816
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,840
is absolute you know why not um

817
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,080
and then

818
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:07,360
like you say the uh

819
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:11,039
the connectedness of different

820
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,320
scattered

821
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:15,919
the world

822
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:19,279
is something that as 21st century people

823
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:20,240
we

824
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,080
past i mean the victorians always used

825
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,159
to say it's primitive you know they were

826
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,880
all isolated you know we're advancing

827
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,720
our technology's moving forward we're

828
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,360
getting better etc so the idea that

829
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,440
actually no that's not true the idea

830
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:38,480
that there were advanced connected

831
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,000
you know societies with a uniform

832
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,399
universal paradigms that they work to

833
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,080
where i think they have things in common

834
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,000
that doesn't sit very well in the 21st

835
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,480
century with a lot of people but you

836
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,760
know why

837
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,840
just the guys with the enormous stretch

838
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,679
heads who were building step pyramids in

839
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,919
south america why they couldn't have

840
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,080
stayed in communication with the guy

841
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,760
with it guys with enormous stretch heads

842
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,559
building step pyramids in egypt or

843
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,880
anywhere else for that matter uh why

844
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,320
they couldn't have stayed in contact i

845
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,559
don't know you know

846
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,399
whereas now we're flying around up in

847
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,159
the air with airplanes and driving

848
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,120
petrol driven vehicles up and down roads

849
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,600
back then they were using the wind and

850
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,440
they were on the oceans and they were

851
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,120
using the rivers

852
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,440
but you know as far as human beings are

853
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,880
concerned they were every bit as

854
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,480
intelligent and clever as we are they

855
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,480
were just doing things differently we're

856
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,399
just doing it a different way

857
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:34,159
and i think what's happening is people

858
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,880
have

859
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,799
lost sight of that fact

860
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,480
you know they you know if you got hold

861
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,480
of one or two of the guys from three or

862
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,399
four thousand years ago and stuck them

863
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:43,919
in a suit and planted them in the middle

864
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,240
of a modern city you know sooner or

865
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,000
later they come to terms with everything

866
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,480
very very quickly because they think the

867
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:52,880
same as as we do you know the oldest

868
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,760
form of us actually all this form of um

869
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,240
homo sapien sapiens is coming out of the

870
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,159
czech republic czechoslovakia and

871
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,159
they've actually got remains

872
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,200
identifiable remains of us going back to

873
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,679
42 000 bc

874
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,679
and there's organic deposits on these

875
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,159
remains so the dating's pretty good and

876
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:14,080
that's where a lot of this dna is coming

877
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,880
from

878
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,440
because you know the preservation is is

879
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,519
excellent and these guys you wouldn't be

880
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,440
able to tell them apart from us they

881
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,279
were exactly the same in every respect

882
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,080
as us that's a long time

883
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,559
you know they've been absent for 50 000

884
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,679
years

885
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,120
so we're now looking at what they've

886
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,480
left behind and all we've got is is the

887
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,960
remnants you know there's so much of

888
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,480
what they were and what they did that's

889
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,640
disappeared that what's left looks

890
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,720
really strange to us

891
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,480
but i don't think we should be surprised

892
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,039
by how advanced these things are or how

893
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:50,960
universal a lot of the elements are

894
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,919
it is very strange how the world as as

895
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,559
you said is a lot smaller than it seems

896
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,000
and that we

897
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,919
as human beings

898
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,679
the characteristics that we point out is

899
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,000
different are very minut as you said and

900
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,679
i'm so glad you said that

901
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,200
because

902
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,799
really you know if we were another

903
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,480
creature looking at ourselves we all

904
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,080
pretty much look the same other than

905
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,919
different shades and colors and things

906
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,919
like that yeah yeah and from an

907
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,480
archaeological standpoint

908
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,080
you know the

909
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,039
the aztec crystal skull and it's an

910
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,669
aztec legend

911
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,080
holds that you know their forefathers

912
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:32,720
fathers migrated to mexico city

913
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,240
uh from a land to the north a land of

914
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,559
red rocks and four rivers

915
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,080
and

916
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,480
something strange i do a lot of research

917
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,240
in utah one of the states here in the

918
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,080
united states that has a lot of high

919
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,519
strangeness

920
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,880
and

921
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,200
where the aztecs are concerned it is

922
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,440
appearing more and more likely that it's

923
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,840
possible that one of their homelands was

924
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,279
located

925
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,159
in utah and that there's two researchers

926
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,240
in particular that have claimed they

927
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:04,840
have found the aztec homeland in utah

928
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,279
now interestingly

929
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,480
um you know going to things like mummies

930
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,040
which are technically usually considered

931
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,720
you know you think egypt when you think

932
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,639
mummy

933
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,359
there is mummies all over the world in

934
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,119
fact one of the oldest is found in

935
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:24,639
nevada in the middle of the desert and

936
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,440
it's very strange that

937
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,440
as you said uh the

938
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,320
the world especially now with with all

939
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:35,040
the dismay and the brokenness of of our

940
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,079
world

941
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,599
that all these things when you break

942
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:40,000
them down they simplify and it seems as

943
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,679
if they have a common origin have you

944
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:44,560
found that in your research

945
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,919
um yes basically i've been doing it long

946
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,919
enough now to know that if you'd have

947
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,399
gone back to say the 1970s 1980s when i

948
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,639
was training as an archaeologist

949
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:57,680
in america a lot of the significant

950
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,040
discoveries that didn't fit that didn't

951
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,200
sit well with the way that america

952
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,200
wanted to to go in at that time the

953
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,200
direction it was going a lot of them

954
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:09,040
were just ignored they were they were

955
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,720
covered up they were stuck in boxes in

956
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:13,359
store rooms etc etc

957
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,440
with the new um new age of technology

958
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,280
and connectedness and the internet and

959
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,280
the sort of thing we've got now

960
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,680
when something's found in america it

961
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,160
tends to get out pretty fast

962
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,720
um so things like you know the egyptian

963
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,560
remains in america the celtic remains in

964
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,640
america the medieval remains in america

965
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:34,640
the viking remains in america

966
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,839
prehistoric remains human remains fossil

967
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,920
remains i mean most recently i believe

968
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,280
there's footprints out there you're

969
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,800
looking at 22 23 000 bc now that have

970
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,240
been recovered

971
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,079
clearly

972
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,160
the american continent back then was as

973
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,160
connected to everything else as any

974
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,160
other continent you know

975
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,520
there was one lady actually came back

976
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,200
from america she found this ripple

977
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,839
museum out in a backwater somewhere and

978
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,520
some metal detectors had picked up this

979
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,280
relax head

980
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,599
and it had ended up in in this cabinet

981
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,760
and she brought me a photo of it it's

982
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,160
identical to the bronze age axe heads

983
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,640
that are found in britain and europe

984
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,440
but he got it from a secure location so

985
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,280
at the end of the day everybody

986
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,200
everywhere she's like i said earlier to

987
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,920
be communicating with each other

988
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,839
but then that makes things a little

989
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,680
uncomfortable for some of the tribes

990
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,400
that are native to to america because

991
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,560
obviously they're in conflict with you

992
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,040
know people have come in later ages so

993
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,040
that that kind of upsets the balance a

994
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,320
bit but there always was legends even

995
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,079
with the native american indians who

996
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,680
were legends there was a white tribe

997
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,200
of indians

998
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,000
and over here in the library of wales

999
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,760
believe it or not we've got this part of

1000
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,520
our country known as wales there's a

1001
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,560
library there that has a uh three copies

1002
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,000
of a pamphlet

1003
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,800
that was printed in the 1620s so you're

1004
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:00,320
going back to the days of early

1005
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,520
settlement

1006
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,760
and this pamphlet gives an account of

1007
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,240
how a group of people from one of the

1008
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,320
valleys in wales one of the villages in

1009
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,079
wales decided they were going to

1010
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,520
emigrate to the newfound land of america

1011
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,760
so they emigrated over there to america

1012
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,440
what it also says

1013
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,520
is in america one of the native american

1014
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,520
indian tribes said okay we're going to

1015
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,280
get on the boats and we're going to come

1016
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,640
the other way

1017
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,400
and they settled in a valley here in

1018
00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:27,599
wales

1019
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,760
so there was a complete exchange

1020
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,040
350 years ago

1021
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,160
of two tribes in effect won a celtic

1022
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,480
tribe from wales and the other a native

1023
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:40,960
american tribe from america and they

1024
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,079
swapped now apparently i have been told

1025
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,160
that some of the dna that's coming out

1026
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:47,920
of this valley in wales proves that that

1027
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,200
story is true but there are so few of

1028
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,640
these pamphlets left i think there's

1029
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,720
only probably half a dozen left of them

1030
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,240
in the world they were printed early

1031
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,560
printed pamphlets but things like that

1032
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,079
you think well hang on if they could do

1033
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,560
that in the 1600s

1034
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,880
what was going on in the 1500s and the

1035
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,359
1400s and you know going back to the

1036
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,839
1200s when supposedly people went from

1037
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,599
scotland you know you go all the way

1038
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,680
back to the 900s when you've got

1039
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,839
coracles sailing out of ireland you know

1040
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,480
across the sea again and

1041
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,760
you know it just

1042
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,920
i don't think human beings were any less

1043
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,480
adventurous back then as we are now it

1044
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,560
just took longer to do things

1045
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,480
you know and why not could why not come

1046
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,160
to america you know what a fantastic

1047
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,400
land what an incredible adventure that

1048
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,960
would be for for folks you know

1049
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,720
i mean knights and armors in medieval

1050
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,480
times you know they decided to go on

1051
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,640
crusade they thought nothing of spending

1052
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,560
three years to you know wander out to

1053
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,880
the middle east and back so why not go

1054
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,960
in the other direction you know why not

1055
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,800
that often go across the atlantic and

1056
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,800
see what's over there you know it's it's

1057
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,320
nonsense to believe that these things

1058
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,560
didn't happen you know they are quite

1059
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,320
obviously they did happen

1060
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,839
um there's a book actually that was

1061
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,839
produced i think was in the late 1970s

1062
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,400
by an archaeologist called barry fell

1063
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,599
and it's called literally it's just

1064
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:05,040
called america

1065
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,400
bc

1066
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,240
and it was so radical back then i think

1067
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,760
it was banned i think you could only buy

1068
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,200
it elsewhere but you couldn't buy it in

1069
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,960
the states so if people want to go and

1070
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,320
track that down it'll be secondhand

1071
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,599
it'll be on amazon or something

1072
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,040
somewhere go and have a look at that

1073
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,079
it's uh america bc by barry fell and the

1074
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,320
stuff in that will just absolutely blow

1075
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,200
your mind it really will

1076
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,960
i'm sure that's one i haven't come

1077
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,839
across but it sounds fantastic oh chip

1078
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,920
check it out it's got irish oh gam in it

1079
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,839
that's out there on rocks in america

1080
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,520
it's got a roman shipwreck that's out

1081
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,440
there in america it's got all the

1082
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,440
egyptian stuff it's oh honestly it's

1083
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,680
unbelievable it's well worth a look

1084
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,720
now

1085
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:43,839
the uh

1086
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,240
the internet has really brought about a

1087
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,760
lot of good things

1088
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,760
the communication the ability for you

1089
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:53,920
and i to be talking right now is

1090
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,520
magical in my opinion and

1091
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,480
by the same token before we had things

1092
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,400
like the internet

1093
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,480
many

1094
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:06,960
stories legends or myths i guess i

1095
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,240
should call them of larger organizations

1096
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,800
the smithsonian is among them

1097
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,520
uh sort of hoarding these legends or

1098
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,920
trying to keep them from the public eye

1099
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,800
is there any truth to that or is it

1100
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,640
possible that the powers that be have

1101
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,200
tried to hold on to some of these relics

1102
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,119
for their own purposes and not let the

1103
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,640
people understand them

1104
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,760
uh well the short answer is yes

1105
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,520
but uh it wouldn't be much of a radio

1106
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,359
broadcast if i left it at that uh

1107
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,040
because i'm on the uh because i was it

1108
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,720
were on the other side of the fence i am

1109
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,160
actually one of those strange

1110
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:44,160
organization people that come from that

1111
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,040
side

1112
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,280
uh it's more complicated than that there

1113
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,200
are a number of different reasons why

1114
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,280
something would be kept a secret

1115
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,119
uh there's practical reasons like you

1116
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,880
wouldn't want people to perhaps know

1117
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:57,520
where it was found or you know its

1118
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,640
existence is under investigation uh you

1119
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,040
know tests are being done or whatever um

1120
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,640
it goes right the way across the board

1121
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,480
all kinds of political reasons all kinds

1122
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,319
of private reasons until you get to the

1123
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,839
other extreme where there used to be

1124
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,680
this thing where you couldn't actually

1125
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,960
destroy

1126
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,119
somebody's um

1127
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,560
how could i put it

1128
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,440
their lifelong work as it were there you

1129
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,839
know their career you couldn't destroy

1130
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,520
that by revealing something that

1131
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,480
undermined them so as an act of respect

1132
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,160
i think a lot of people were allowed to

1133
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,640
rabbit on about complete nonsense for

1134
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,480
far too long

1135
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,760
and that's how you end up with this

1136
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,359
situation where there's just lots of

1137
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,880
stuff that's been accepted for years and

1138
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,520
years and years and never corrected you

1139
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,880
know nobody's ever come along and gone

1140
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,480
ah that isn't true

1141
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,000
um i've done this in a few other

1142
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,440
interviews as well and i'm sure somebody

1143
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,000
will come and you know uh take odds with

1144
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,040
me at some point but evolution evolution

1145
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,480
is one of the classics i've got a cat

1146
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,960
here by okay yeah

1147
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,920
um

1148
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,000
evolution is the classic one because uh

1149
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,319
dna and dna studies there's no doubt

1150
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,200
evolution just doesn't work that way

1151
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,040
sorry he's tangled up in my uh my

1152
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,200
headset here clear off

1153
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:09,920
there we go uh anyway so yeah evolution

1154
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,560
doesn't work that way um because dna

1155
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:15,280
doesn't change you know um dna wise

1156
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:16,079
we're

1157
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,000
and chimpanzees and apes and all that

1158
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,079
yes they're somewhere further down the

1159
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,359
line but that's not what we're the

1160
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,480
closest to

1161
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:28,319
but that's been known for years you know

1162
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:29,359
um

1163
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,640
darwin's laws of of modification and

1164
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,200
adaptation and yes they're fine no

1165
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,200
issues with those at all but nothing

1166
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,280
changes into anything else and i think

1167
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,200
darwin knew that he actually admitted

1168
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,680
that he you know as time went on science

1169
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,160
would eventually you know put that

1170
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,720
theory to bed but it's taken too long so

1171
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,560
like you say being connected having the

1172
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,079
internet being able to get the truth out

1173
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,640
there now uh and actually being able to

1174
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,480
say no that's not right but this is

1175
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,240
right and you know pushing the

1176
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,040
boundaries um it's enabling us worldwide

1177
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,960
to move at a

1178
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,119
a much faster pace

1179
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,400
there are still things that i think are

1180
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,160
covered up in inverted commas i think

1181
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,480
there are still things that

1182
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,880
the powers that be probably don't want

1183
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,800
people in general to know

1184
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,800
um some of that i think is social

1185
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,119
structuring some of its political

1186
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:23,040
um some of it i just don't think it's

1187
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,240
necessary

1188
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,640
for everybody to know you know it's not

1189
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,880
relevant it's not important if there is

1190
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:30,800
something though that does come out that

1191
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,560
is really really vital i think now it it

1192
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,880
has wings you know it flies it goes all

1193
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,319
around the world you know people do get

1194
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,680
to know about it

1195
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,040
eventually

1196
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,800
you know god bless the whistleblowers

1197
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,960
you know long long may they reign

1198
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,560
um you know

1199
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,160
hopefully that little book i put out as

1200
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,800
well will inspire

1201
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,400
others to say

1202
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,079
no we're not really sure about this this

1203
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,079
isn't right you know this this needs

1204
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,240
correcting and you know it'd be nice if

1205
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,400
it's just the first step you know it

1206
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,720
needs to be the first of a string of

1207
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,440
books that start to bring forward what's

1208
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,200
actually physically out there and what's

1209
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,359
physically happened you know what people

1210
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,280
are physically discovering so yeah i

1211
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,640
think there's been there has definitely

1212
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,800
been you know 101 different reasons why

1213
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,960
things have been covered up uh i

1214
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,359
personally don't necessarily approve of

1215
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,280
that i have to say that

1216
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,280
i don't like the idea that you know you

1217
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:24,880
dig something up you discover something

1218
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,359
and then you keep it a secret i i'm not

1219
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,280
a great fan of doing that i'm really not

1220
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,079
but you'll gather that from the book

1221
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,640
and the book has great reviews by the

1222
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,960
way mark i thought the oh thank you

1223
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,880
now the the image on the front of the

1224
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,040
book is that actually your skull that's

1225
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,119
a fascinating image

1226
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,880
um

1227
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,480
it's an interesting story behind that

1228
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,240
actually digressing slightly uh i i

1229
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,079
mopped that image up i did it as a

1230
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,079
mock-up to to say this is how i would

1231
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,839
like the cover to look like and i sent

1232
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,079
it to the publisher and the publisher

1233
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,599
went yeah fine fantastic i've got the

1234
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,880
image for the front cover now and i'm

1235
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,560
like well hang on whoa that's just a

1236
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,640
rough artwork and he's like no that'll

1237
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,240
do that's fine we'll just improve the

1238
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,640
quality that'll do it's it's a

1239
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,880
reproduction the outside crystal is a

1240
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,480
reproduction of the mitchell hedges

1241
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,720
school because i wanted one that was

1242
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,040
really clear a lot of crystal skulls are

1243
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,960
not are not clear you know they're milky

1244
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,319
or they're frosted or they have patterns

1245
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,119
inside them because inside the crystal

1246
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,440
school i wanted to introduce the image

1247
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,000
of a human skull so you have this idea

1248
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,520
that the physical is encased within if

1249
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,200
you like the spiritual you know you've

1250
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,160
got this mystical outer skull encasing

1251
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,240
the physical and the inner skull and i

1252
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,680
thought that really sort of captured the

1253
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,960
content of

1254
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,440
what i was aiming for uh in inside the

1255
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,280
book but now the publishers just went ah

1256
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,480
now we're quite happy with this this

1257
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,160
image will do bang there it goes on the

1258
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,720
front cover i'm like you know

1259
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,240
wasn't really quite what i had in mind

1260
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,040
but it seems to have done the trick

1261
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,119
well you mentioned yeah they were right

1262
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,720
because it is a stunner and it

1263
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,640
definitely expresses those things that

1264
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,440
you were uh mentioning you know versus

1265
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:05,520
that like smokey quartz but

1266
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,319
um

1267
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,720
or the milky way just just uh just to

1268
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,640
answer your question the actual my own

1269
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,520
school is inside the book if you have a

1270
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,119
look inside the book there's actually a

1271
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,920
full page photo of an aztec skull and

1272
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,680
you'll see that it's quite frosted it's

1273
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:22,000
quite milky that's mine mine's on the

1274
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,280
inside

1275
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,000
that's fascinating now

1276
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,359
in through your research um

1277
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,720
a question that

1278
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,200
abounds in my mind

1279
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,079
is are these crystal skulls still being

1280
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,640
found have they all been found and how

1281
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,560
many crystal skulls if so have been

1282
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,319
found

1283
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,000
right that's a really important question

1284
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,760
actually um

1285
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,599
the answer is i

1286
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,839
think that there are plenty more out

1287
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:51,920
there to be found

1288
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,319
by that i mean the genuine ones the

1289
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,520
problem we've got now is there are tens

1290
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,480
of thousands of modern

1291
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,040
machine-made man-made schools just

1292
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,480
coming out every year they're just the

1293
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,800
market's completely flooded by them um

1294
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,200
everything in size from tiny little you

1295
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:11,280
know sort of key ring size ones right

1296
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:12,400
the way up to

1297
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,750
all of them are machine made all of them

1298
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,920
are modern you can easily identify them

1299
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:21,119
by just looking at them under a

1300
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,480
magnifying glass because you'll see the

1301
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,119
machine marks on the tool marks etc none

1302
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,119
of them are particularly old so what you

1303
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,800
have to do is you have to sort of turn

1304
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,240
the clock back if you like to try and

1305
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,240
see where the real ones are

1306
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,160
i would say a real one uh there's

1307
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,079
criteria in the book for a real one it

1308
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,480
needs to be life size preferably not

1309
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,720
newborn you know bigger than newborn but

1310
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,200
it needs to be life-sized it needs to be

1311
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,000
hand-made so it's obviously got to be

1312
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,520
you know shaped fashioned and polished

1313
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,760
and you can tell that it's handmade

1314
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,359
artistically it'd be nice to have some

1315
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,440
kind of a you know an echo of a time

1316
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,240
period about it the way mine's shaped it

1317
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,640
just looks exactly like the aztec

1318
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,400
carvings there's no doubt

1319
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,680
about that

1320
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,359
there's a new dating method coming in

1321
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,119
now where they look at the water content

1322
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,520
within stone because the exposed

1323
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,000
surfaces dry out so if you know what the

1324
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,559
basic water content of the stone is you

1325
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:16,800
can almost get a sense of how old it is

1326
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,599
by how dry the outer surface is so you

1327
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,280
would expect if any of these schools

1328
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,200
were analyzed that they would come back

1329
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,720
as at least a few hundred years or older

1330
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,240
in terms of them drying out but that's

1331
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,760
the only scientific method that's the

1332
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,760
only scientific way of actually

1333
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,760
examining them from an archaeologist's

1334
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:35,200
point of view how many real ones are

1335
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,400
there in the world i'm going to shock

1336
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,800
everybody now by saying two

1337
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,040
there are only two

1338
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,599
one of them appears in the book

1339
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,280
there's um a jungle city called cobra

1340
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,280
and i visited it when i was in in the

1341
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,440
yucatan i went down there took a photo

1342
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,839
of a school that is bang in the middle

1343
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,319
of the ballpark at cobra one of their

1344
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,359
ball arenas has this milky white school

1345
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,119
set in the floor right in the middle of

1346
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,960
it and it's always been there it's there

1347
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,040
on the archaeological reports it's never

1348
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,440
been moved it's not a fake and it's

1349
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,480
white quartz so that one's real and then

1350
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:11,920
there's an archaeological report that

1351
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,960
came out quite a few years ago now um

1352
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,520
from uh mexico city

1353
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:19,520
where a school that was slightly bigger

1354
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,480
than ham size so it still qualifies had

1355
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,559
been found buried in a ceremonial

1356
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,280
context inside i believe it came from

1357
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,280
inside one of the pyramids but what's

1358
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,960
happening now in south america is that

1359
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,800
the guys out there the archaeologists

1360
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,119
are not telling people when these things

1361
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,520
are turning up because uh obviously if

1362
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,599
they the site gets out or information

1363
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,440
about the fine gets out then the sites

1364
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,640
get raided

1365
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,800
and the damage to the sites is quite

1366
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,800
extensive and also the schools

1367
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,119
themselves are national treasures you

1368
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,640
know as far as south america is

1369
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,680
concerned

1370
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,280
really they should all go back there

1371
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,280
because that's where they belong

1372
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,040
and after hundreds of years of these

1373
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:59,040
things being picked up and taken away i

1374
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,400
think they've finally drawn the line

1375
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,839
under it and said no you know we're not

1376
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,359
without if we find any more we just you

1377
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,040
know we're not going to tell you unless

1378
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,880
you want to you know that's the end of

1379
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,720
it we're fed up with having these things

1380
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,480
nicked all the time so you know we're

1381
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:13,200
hanging on to them so i know of two i

1382
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,559
just know of two that have

1383
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,040
archaeological secure

1384
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,079
documented locations um i'm inclined to

1385
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:21,839
think that the mitchell hedges school is

1386
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,800
real uh because uh mitchell hedges was

1387
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,640
an archaeologist and that's what he was

1388
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,480
and he was quite good at what he did so

1389
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,559
i'd like to think that that one is also

1390
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,800
real so that would take that total to

1391
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:34,480
three

1392
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,240
not many i'm afraid that's neat well

1393
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,960
it i still find it fascinating because

1394
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,319
humans

1395
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,640
as you know are very

1396
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,359
well we're good at if there is something

1397
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,079
that we uh find

1398
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,319
powerful or

1399
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,200
performing esoteric rights it is uh

1400
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:56,640
deemed

1401
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,119
magnificent we will reproduce it and yes

1402
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,040
you know aztec spiritual beliefs and

1403
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,920
ceremonies placed major significance on

1404
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,760
the human skull

1405
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:09,119
yeah

1406
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,079
and another question that is

1407
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,200
fascinating to me as i as i scratch the

1408
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,680
surface compared to your research is the

1409
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,319
weight of some of these skulls they are

1410
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,160
quite heavy

1411
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,280
yes yes they are there's there's um

1412
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,640
people don't think of crystals as

1413
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,880
containing any form of metal

1414
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,440
but there's quite um you have this thing

1415
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,920
called lead crystal which is glass

1416
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:36,640
that's been infused with uh lead to

1417
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,640
produce a much brighter clearer crisper

1418
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:42,240
type of glass

1419
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,960
so

1420
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,480
silica itself

1421
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,960
simple silicon i think silicon dioxide i

1422
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:48,720
think is the one that they fuse with

1423
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:51,839
most things it that will mix with a lot

1424
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,359
of other different kinds of metals and

1425
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,280
elements and substances to produce

1426
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,760
different things different properties so

1427
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,079
that will increase the weight of the

1428
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,800
object that you're picking up

1429
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,640
i mean the one that springs to mind most

1430
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,119
actually is um you can pick up skulls

1431
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:11,119
made of all kinds of different forms of

1432
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,240
silica

1433
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:14,160
and some of them are just as heavy as

1434
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,440
they look

1435
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,119
some of them are not some of them are

1436
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,079
considerably heavier than they look

1437
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:22,000
um so perhaps you know if somebody

1438
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,599
wanted to experiment with that go and

1439
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,839
find a you know a new age crystal fair

1440
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,599
somewhere and there'll be a stall there

1441
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,200
that will be selling these schools and

1442
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,599
they usually have a row of usually hand

1443
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,200
sized ones that are all about the same

1444
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,880
size it might be eight or ten schools in

1445
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,880
a row and just very carefully with two

1446
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,559
fingers just go along and pick them up

1447
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,000
one after another

1448
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,680
and i think people would be surprised by

1449
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,960
the difference

1450
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,079
you know if you pick one up that's

1451
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:45,920
tiger's eye as compared to one that's

1452
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,400
agate as compared to one that's quartz

1453
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,240
as a you know compared to one that's

1454
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,200
amethyst and so on um you'd be surprised

1455
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,880
by just how different

1456
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,400
the weights are even though they're all

1457
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,760
the same size

1458
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,079
so yeah the quartz ones the actual flare

1459
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,400
quartz ones they do they are shockingly

1460
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,040
heavy compared to the size you know the

1461
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,240
weight to size ratio is is quite amazing

1462
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,160
like i say the one i've got

1463
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,400
obviously it's really solid and it does

1464
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,240
pack a punch when you pick it up it's a

1465
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,480
lot heavier than it looks

1466
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,359
yeah uh some

1467
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,480
i mean

1468
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,440
i guess 30 to 78 pounds is not uncommon

1469
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,040
and this is just mind-blowing to me

1470
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:27,520
because this is not something

1471
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:30,559
that would be easy to carry around so it

1472
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,000
would be a really big deal especially in

1473
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,640
in rituals and esoteric rights

1474
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,280
and i i'm also fascinated mark that the

1475
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,280
only way science seems to

1476
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,440
estimate at least currently

1477
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,880
is um

1478
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,040
these crystal carvings is by examining

1479
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,640
the surface to see if there's any

1480
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:51,280
evidence of how it was carved and the

1481
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,559
origin

1482
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,400
seems to be mysterious because part of

1483
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,280
the issue is quartz crystal is a natural

1484
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,280
stone that comes from the earth

1485
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,079
therefore we can't really carbonate it

1486
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,960
that's quite a quandary no

1487
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,640
yeah i'll run across this very recently

1488
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,880
actually it's interesting because some

1489
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:10,400
friends of mine who are doing this

1490
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,520
exhibition in the summer have a very

1491
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,480
large what appears to me to be

1492
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,280
volcanic obsidian

1493
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:20,640
crystal skull

1494
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,160
which looks like it's been um it's very

1495
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,720
primitive kind of green bottle glass if

1496
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,640
you like and it looks like it's been

1497
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,800
re-melted or reformed and produced for

1498
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,280
school and then hand carved afterwards

1499
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,079
so the school itself is

1500
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,720
cast in some way and then afterwards

1501
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,720
they've sort of pecked a lot of detail

1502
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,680
into it stylistically again potentially

1503
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,920
round about the spanish conquistador

1504
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,520
period so you're looking at somewhere in

1505
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,240
the 1500s possibly based on style but

1506
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,319
they had the same idea you did they they

1507
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,160
actually managed to get some material

1508
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,680
off this school

1509
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:58,160
and sent it away for carbon dating and

1510
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,480
it came back to something like 13 000 bc

1511
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,640
but as soon as i read the report since i

1512
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,240
looked at what they'd actually done i

1513
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:08,799
said well that's not the skull that's

1514
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,760
the soil it was buried in

1515
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,000
so you can date where it came from you

1516
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,480
know it was sat somewhere on a shelf or

1517
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:19,440
in a cave or a tomb or whatever

1518
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,960
the tomb or the site had dirt in it

1519
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,720
that was that age

1520
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,440
but that's not the age of the glass you

1521
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,040
see what i'm getting at here the two or

1522
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,280
two separate things it never crossed the

1523
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,960
mind to think that the glass might be

1524
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:35,440
completely different and this one's

1525
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,640
going to be a real headache in the

1526
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,040
future because it's not like natural

1527
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,359
stone the one i've got somebody started

1528
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,040
with a sucking great big crystal and

1529
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,119
they've kind of eaten the way into it

1530
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,720
until eventually they've ended up with

1531
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,640
the right size and shape of skull it's

1532
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,920
quite nice actually it's clear at the

1533
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,680
back smoky in the middle and frosted at

1534
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,880
the front so they've done it in a

1535
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,960
certain way to to create the skull the

1536
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,559
way they wanted it but they've actually

1537
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,960
done that from natural crystal which you

1538
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,880
know might be dateable it's got the

1539
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,720
potential to be dateable but if this

1540
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,960
thing's made from you know volcanic

1541
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,480
glass that's come out of a volcano

1542
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,559
that's been melted and then put back

1543
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,160
together again to create this kind of

1544
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,200
bluey green obsidian thing that's just

1545
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,720
impossible

1546
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,040
you'll never get a proper date off that

1547
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,880
you know it's it's a real conundrum that

1548
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,599
one

1549
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,400
they are incredibly hard to date which i

1550
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,880
think again is why they've tightened up

1551
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,400
the way they're looking at these

1552
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,400
carvings in south america because the

1553
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,359
fine site and where they're coming from

1554
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:33,359
and the paperwork and the information

1555
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,839
behind them is now more important almost

1556
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,680
than the fact that it's a crystal school

1557
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,119
you know you've got to have that

1558
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,359
provenance that background to it

1559
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,240
otherwise it's just another you know one

1560
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:48,160
of tens of thousands of schools that

1561
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,760
turn up all the time

1562
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,680
which is disappointed if it gets to that

1563
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,119
that position

1564
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,520
um you know but they're just really hard

1565
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,680
to age the possibility of them like you

1566
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,520
say making these things in the past you

1567
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,200
can imagine like the priests holding one

1568
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,760
of these up and the sun coming in and

1569
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,000
you know catching this and the light

1570
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:07,760
beams going out from them they must have

1571
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,920
looked absolutely spectacular there's no

1572
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,920
reason why they wouldn't make them

1573
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,839
absolutely no reason at all because they

1574
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,680
made everything else you know and

1575
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,760
schools appear on everything else

1576
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,920
so you know why would you not you know

1577
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:21,520
of course you'd have a go

1578
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,960
but i don't think we've found them all i

1579
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:24,240
don't think i don't think they've all

1580
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,520
come to the light yet i think there's

1581
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,880
there's plenty more out there to be

1582
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,319
discovered yet

1583
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:30,240
that's great news that adds to the

1584
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,599
mystery

1585
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:33,119
yeah well it does i mean

1586
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,559
i was gonna say take the city of coba

1587
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,160
when i was there you know there's this

1588
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,880
vast city in the jungle and i said to

1589
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:40,400
the archaeologist chapter who was there

1590
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,520
i said well how are you going on you

1591
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,760
know if you dug most of it up they just

1592
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,119
shook his anywhere there's less than ten

1593
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,520
percent of it excavated

1594
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,240
so nine ninety percent of the city of

1595
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,640
coba that's just one city ninety percent

1596
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,520
of it

1597
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,440
is still nothing but jungle it's just

1598
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,280
piles of rocks in the jungle

1599
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,680
you know that city alone would take many

1600
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,000
many lifetimes to to pull that back out

1601
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,000
of the jungle again there's so much

1602
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,640
still to be found

1603
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,000
fascinating

1604
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:10,960
potentially i mean this could this is

1605
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:13,920
this is just amazing the potential of

1606
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,119
finding so many more and

1607
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,960
i i think it's uh

1608
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,799
also fascinating i wish we could go into

1609
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,520
it now but you are an author of other

1610
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,079
works that absolutely fascinate me uh

1611
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:28,480
such as revealing the green man

1612
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,440
and

1613
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:30,319
um

1614
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,680
right up my alley and and uh the

1615
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:35,440
and other books the life and times of

1616
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:37,520
the real robin hood

1617
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,640
celtic warrington and other mysteries

1618
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,559
let's take this moment to tell our

1619
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,040
listeners where they can find your works

1620
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,440
including this magnificent book

1621
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,480
and

1622
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,319
where they can keep track of everything

1623
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,400
that you are achieving

1624
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,319
okay uh i try and keep things as simple

1625
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,160
as i can it's just in the nature to do

1626
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,920
that so all the books everything i've

1627
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,359
ever produced

1628
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,760
uh which should be should be crystal

1629
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,760
skulls and human heads revealing the

1630
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,839
green man life in times the real robin

1631
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,839
hood the disappearing ninth legion and

1632
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,760
three of the celtic warrington series

1633
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,920
they're all on amazon

1634
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,000
so all you have to do to get them is go

1635
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,559
to amazon put my name in um all i would

1636
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,720
say is if you go for the robin hood book

1637
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,079
it's spelt differently it's r o b y n h

1638
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,559
double o d e so if you put that into

1639
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,720
your search engine you'll get there but

1640
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,640
at the end of the day amazon they're all

1641
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,040
on there uh you know that's the place to

1642
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,520
go for that anybody wants to get me

1643
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,440
find me the easiest way to do it i have

1644
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,319
a totally open facebook page uh you can

1645
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,839
go find me on there there aren't many

1646
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,000
people with my name you'll know it's me

1647
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,839
because i'm holding a crystal ball on

1648
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,440
the photograph okay it's this blue

1649
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,440
colored photo of me with a crystal ball

1650
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,440
so it's quite obviously me uh you can

1651
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,280
message me there on messenger or you can

1652
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,720
just leave a message on the thread or

1653
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,760
whatever

1654
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:55,040
and if you really want to get into it

1655
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:56,160
you want to book me you want to talk

1656
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,599
about more stuff or whatever because i

1657
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,760
do talks and all that sort of thing we

1658
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,000
can then we can flip over to emails from

1659
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:04,000
there but that's really the window to

1660
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,359
the world if you like so it's either

1661
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,400
amazon for the books or facebook for me

1662
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:10,400
dead simple

1663
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:15,280
that is great and uh yeah i'm i'm

1664
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:18,160
blown away by the actual archaeological

1665
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,520
and historic

1666
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,599
case studies taking place

1667
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,760
all your work all the time and effort

1668
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,200
you've put into this i can't thank you

1669
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:27,359
enough for coming on the podcast

1670
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:28,640
and uh

1671
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:32,640
yeah any other uh important

1672
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:34,880
attributes or reveals that you see

1673
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,280
coming in the future

1674
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,440
wow what's what's for the future um i am

1675
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:41,119
writing a couple of books and there's

1676
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,480
another one finished

1677
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,000
which i haven't really talked about to

1678
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,599
anybody yet but i'm actually looking for

1679
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,000
a publisher for one at the moment i have

1680
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,240
completely and utterly nailed the whole

1681
01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:52,400
of the king arthur legends so there's a

1682
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,520
huge book on king arthur

1683
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,960
477 pages for those of you that are only

1684
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,799
listening by the way he's got a massive

1685
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,319
smile on his face and the thumbs just

1686
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,319
webbed up i don't know absolutely nailed

1687
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,520
it and nailed king arthur um it took 44

1688
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,280
years to produce the book so that gives

1689
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,040
you some idea of how in-depth this thing

1690
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,040
is and i just need a publisher that's

1691
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:13,680
going to go yeah i don't care it's 477

1692
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,920
pages i'm going to publish it so i want

1693
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,440
to get that out as soon as possible so

1694
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,680
that's coming and there's a couple of

1695
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,280
other books coming in the wings there's

1696
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:23,359
a little sort of templar thing going on

1697
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,119
something to do with some biblical stuff

1698
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:27,680
to do with scrolls and lost uh lost

1699
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,280
language stuff in that direction um and

1700
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,799
uh yeah that's probably that's probably

1701
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,319
the most i can give away really at this

1702
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,079
stage but there's plenty more there's

1703
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,079
just loads more coming oh i can't wait

1704
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:40,799
exclusively i'm chomping i'm chomping at

1705
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,559
the bit

1706
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,880
not only to see that and then also uh

1707
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,400
hopefully in the future to talk to you

1708
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,720
about uh revealing the green man because

1709
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:50,240
your work is just

1710
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,599
it's it's it's it's great thank you so

1711
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,880
much

1712
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:56,160
yeah i'm just going to say the reveal is

1713
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:57,520
resilient green man is actually

1714
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:59,839
connected uh because the the what it

1715
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,079
looks like is connected to

1716
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:04,240
the work in the crystal skulls book and

1717
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,760
if anyone wants to come come and see me

1718
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,240
in person like i said i'm an awakening

1719
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,680
it's called awakening it's the

1720
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,599
conference at blackpool and i believe

1721
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:13,760
it's on in june so towards the end of

1722
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:15,520
june so folks want to try and look that

1723
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,400
up and book onto awakening uh it's uh

1724
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,839
zohar that are putting it on it's a

1725
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,920
production company we have over here so

1726
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,400
uh there you go that's it i i love so i

1727
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,319
love zohar everything they touch seems

1728
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,799
to turn to gold i love that stuff

1729
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,039
um thank you so much mark can't thank

1730
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,200
you enough uh

1731
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:34,799
i wish you the best in all your

1732
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:36,079
endeavors and thank you for everything

1733
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,000
you're doing for the rest of us

1734
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:40,000
same for you thanks for having me well

1735
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:41,680
there you have it ladies and gentlemen

1736
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:44,720
mark ali someone who has pursued a solo

1737
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,599
career as a writer archaeologist and

1738
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,440
television presenter

1739
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:52,160
this career has so far taken him to all

1740
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:55,359
parts of the uk france egypt norway and

1741
01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,039
italy bulgaria cyprus south america

1742
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:02,319
turkey malta and north africa in search

1743
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,470
amazing talking to him i'm so glad he

1744
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,280
came on the podcast i hope that

1745
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:13,599
you found some tidbits that uh

1746
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,799
add to the mystery of the crystal skulls

1747
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:18,799
until next time keep your eyes to the

1748
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,839
skies

1749
01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:22,400
feet on the ground but don't forget

1750
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,029
[Music]

1751
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:57,190
come blast off in my time machine